We can all agree that torturing someone because you won't want the spend the time it would take to track down his companions is a dungeon is Evil, though, right?boneguard wrote:That's up to the DM of course, whether torture in time of war or time of duress would be an acceptable and non-evil mean of gathering information.predator wrote:For example if you have an evil madman who threatens to blow up miljons of people with a nuke. You have him in prison and he knows how to defuse the bombs. Would you torture him? Torture is an evil act? But is deciding not to torture him, an letting all those civilians die not also an evil act?
If you torture the man and thereby safe a miljon people, would you be concidered evil? If you were a palladin right then, would you suffer the allignment consequence?
However if we stick to the basic definition that Torture IS evil, a Paladin could not torture nor be party to such an act by his comarade; and would try to find another avenue to get the information, try to defuse it himself, evacuate the general population or displace the bomb to where it would cause less damage.
If he doesn't follow that course he commits an evil act, or knowingly allow an Evil act to be committed and he will lose his Paladinhood.
This give the only possible "out," for the above objection.wrecan wrote:Personally, I see only one possibility that makes sense.
Kore is compelled. If Kore's evil acts are the result of a geas unwillingly placed upon him then it is arguable that his alignment would not change. Now Kore has said that he is "gifted" not "cursed", but this may be him rationalizing it. Or it could be that he did want the geas on him. Had he requested it, he'd probably still fall. But if some, say, genie type, overheard Kore lamenting that his honorable code prevented him from "doing what needed to be done" and gifted him with this curse without his advance consent or knowledge, he'd probably be okay. That said, a curse like this is also sort of the same thing as a homebrewed item, race, or prestige class. However, it it was imposed via the wish spell, it would still be within the rules. (Bonus if said wish were placed on him by a solar!)
If spending extra time following and hunting down the GAP would result in an even greater Evil than Kore, then it might still hold.
But I really hope the explanation isn't just a loophole of some sort.
I mean, this is Thunt's Goblins we're talking about here!
Oh, and I don't buy the "extra eyes" theories. Looks like a reflection from staples or metal stitches of some sort, personally.