Restored Body Parts discussion

[Master TMO]

There's been some discussion of the restoration material in other threads, but no main thread I know of offhand on it. So some of this may be duplicated in comic threads.

What mostly prompted me to make this topic was Psimax's arms. It's a logical assumption that his purple arms were made by the restoration device, after an unknown incident that cost him both arms. If he knew how to create these gears before entering the MoM, perhaps it happened in his reality, I don't know. It doesn't really matter where it happened, if we assume they were created by this process. (Sorry, I'm wordy today)

But why are his forearms just bone? Kin's tail was reformed whole. Even 'non-living' matter (Forgath's beard) has been restored. Why aren't his arms the normal shape? When he was fully restored by the device, his arms are still this shape. It wasn't corrected as major damage like Kin's tail was.

[thinkslogically]

A (willingly-chosen) curse maybe? Sacrificing strength in his limbs for INT boosts might work? And curses are always tricky to shift.

[Scorvos]

one question that I have is if Psion MinMax was planning on using the gears to cheat his own oblivion. the device restored the beard that had been lost to Oblivion, and he had built a timer to recreate himself upon his destruction.

Could Psion MinMax's Plan all along been to cast the whole of the Maze into Oblivion only for him to be restored shortly their after.

[Unlucky-for-Some]

I doubt it Scorvos. There would seem to be quite a difference between being killed and never having existed. His device was set on a timer to restore him in the event of his death, so that he can continue his plan towards oblivion. Once that takes effect he will never have existed and so there will be nothing for the machine to bring back.

[BordeauxRow]

Scorvos If I had to guess the 'logic' behind it is, if he could bring himself back it meant that his plan failed. (AKA no 'true' oblivion)

[Master TMO]

A (willingly-chosen) curse maybe? Sacrificing strength in his limbs for INT boosts might work? And curses are always tricky to shift.

I can see him min-maxing his STR way down to boost INT during character creation. But down to the bone?

[thinkslogically]

You don't need muscle if you've got super-psionic purple arms instead. Maybe he did it in the Maze with an item from the winners' room (assuming there's no legit way to trade arms for smarts in D&D).

[Orga the Strange]

I don't know how likely this is, but I'm pretty sure that his arms being like that is just Thunt's way of representing the Psionic body feat, and not really anything to do with the restoration.

[Liesmith]

Somewhat off topic, but I found out how Goblinslayer got his wooden arm:

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The comic is Oglaf; it varies wildly between tame and extremely NSFW; consider yourself forewarned. I highly recommend it!

[stevedj]

I had mentioned this idea in a 'strip' thread earlier, but this seems like a better place to discuss...

Given how PsiMax acted following his restoration, I have to believe that he has had that restoration gear kick in before... perhaps many times even. He uses it to observe how he was defeated, and make the necessary adjustments on the next run-through.

So, with that assumption, we see in this run-through that PsiMax was NOT all purply from the start. Thus, a prior restoration was also reset. If his arms had been part of some restoration, they too would have been reset. Since they weren't they must be 'original' (or at least, he had them upon entering the MoM).

[Corpsificus]

I remember back when Kin had no tail there was speculation that she would get human legs.

Slithering around you look suspicious in town
legs are required for strollilng, dancing,
Walking around on one of those... STREETS

Out where they walk
Out where they run
Out where they judge other humanoids based on their appearance.

Not like a snake.
Human but fake.
Part of your world.

[Simon_Jester]

I had mentioned this idea in a 'strip' thread earlier, but this seems like a better place to discuss...

Given how PsiMax acted following his restoration, I have to believe that he has had that restoration gear kick in before... perhaps many times even. He uses it to observe how he was defeated, and make the necessary adjustments on the next run-through.

This may also explain how he achieved such a ridiculous level of immunity (to everything not involving his key number)- he kept experimenting until he found a satisfactory way to protect himself from the dangers of the Maze. Presumably, he wasn't this powerful before he entered the Maze, because his number-immunity only works by virtue of the way his psionic gears can control the laws of physics within the maze itself.

The gears that allow him to restore himself when he is killed may have been the first thing he set up.

[BanditoWalrus]

When PsionMax's entire body is restored, he retains his skeletal arms. This implies, in my opinion, some other psionic power that has rendered his arms in that state permanently, to the point where the "skeletal arms" are in fact, his own "real arms", at least as far as regenerative psionics is concerned. The skeletal limbs probably looks similar to restored limbs because of how IME (or would it be IPE, in PsionMax's case??) is described as working in the Goblins universe.

Given that my theory is based on his claws being something else rather than the regenerative gear effect, I'd hazard a guess at his claws being the psionic powers "Claws of the Beast" combined with the Psionic "Permanence", perhaps. Which would achieve permanent psionic claws. Perhaps the appearance is simply how psionic claws look in the Goblins Universe.

[raaabr]

Just throwing this out there; what if human's from Psimax's reality all have those arms? His Kin isn't human, and neither is his Forgath, so I think it's at least possible.

[BuildsLegos]

That would surely mean all humans from that world are psions...still possible, of course.

[Gamblor]

What happens to Forgath's beard now? Assuming he lived long enough, his beard is almost immune to physical damage so he can't really trim it. Would that be convenient armor or a massive burden to have a bunch of indestructible hair going down to your knees?

[BuildsLegos]

He can't cut the cells that have been replaced, but he can cut the cells that are growing out now.

[Jochi]

Apparently he can't even braid it, or he would have by now.

Or if he thinks he's CLOSE to level 4, he may just be waiting, rather than do it twice in rapid succession.

[BuildsLegos]

There's also the fact that you might be WRONG. He only braided at camp, and certainly not in the Healing Potion river. I think he's waiting to set up camp again.

[Simon_Jester]

Braiding your beard is NOT the sort of thing you do in a combat zone, or an area that might conceivably become one. Sure, right now the party thinks they're safe in the Maze... but they thought that before, and Psychic Minmax came back from the dead on them.

[Jochi]

There's also the fact that you might be WRONG. He only braided at camp, and certainly not in the Healing Potion river. I think he's waiting to set up camp again.

Was that supposed to get a rise from me? I hate being wrong, but I'm good at it -- I do it a lot. I'm quite willing to wait and see whether this speculation holds water or not.

[BuildsLegos]

Hey man, I'm just paraphrasing Lex Luthor.

[Sidewaysgts]

I know a lot of people are under the impression now that PsiMaxs arms are a result of his psionic gears restoring them to be that way- But im still strongly under the impression it was a klik' arm. All the limbs weve seen so far were restored "back to stock" so to speak. Psimaxs arms however look way, WAY too much like juniors arms (and dies arm has morphed into that very shape a couple of times if i recall correctly) for me to ignore. Gnarled, pointy, claws, exposed bones, etc. So "why didnt it come up"? Possibly because psimax was simply overconfident with how powerful his psionic capabilities were to think hed actually need to. Heck, maybe he never "learned" to use the arms that way because he never tried and never found out what they were capable of.

I really really hope one day after the MoM is well and finished Thunt releases his MoM notes as a downloadable e-book for us to ponder and glee over.

[Master TMO]

I know a lot of people are under the impression now that PsiMaxs arms are a result of his psionic gears restoring them to be that way- But im still strongly under the impression it was a klik' arm. All the limbs weve seen so far were restored "back to stock" so to speak. Psimaxs arms however look way, WAY too much like juniors arms (and dies arm has morphed into that very shape a couple of times if i recall correctly) for me to ignore. Gnarled, pointy, claws, exposed bones, etc. So "why didnt it come up"? Possibly because psimax was simply overconfident with how powerful his psionic capabilities were to think hed actually need to. Heck, maybe he never "learned" to use the arms that way because he never tried and never found out what they were capable of.

I really really hope one day after the MoM is well and finished Thunt releases his MoM notes as a downloadable e-book for us to ponder and glee over.

It's true that it looks like those, but there's no sign of his Klik, and the Klik-Max we do see doesn't have an arm like that (http://www.goblinscomic.org/03252013/).

[spiderwrangler]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but it's highly likely that this isn't the first time that things have looked 'purplish' to MM.... http://www.goblinscomic.org/03222008/