Re: 29-01-2018: Who's There?
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:32 pm
I've never heard of racial leveling -especially in DnD; but that doesn't matter much when her powers are subdued.
Racial leveling is included in some supplements, at least if you include 3rd party supplements. Usualy it allows a character to take a few levels (usually up to three) in their race instead of in any class, thus unlocking additional abilities available only to their race. This allows for races to be player characters without making them crazily overpowered from the start. One example I know of is the WoW D20 rules book.BuildsLegos wrote:I've never heard of racial leveling -especially in DnD; but that doesn't matter much when her powers are subdued.
3rd edition ogre is 4d8+8. So it's about a 4th level monster. It took Kore several shots to take him down and his crossbow did manage to wound Kore. So yeah, about a level 7 adventurer vs an ogre type result.BuildsLegos wrote:Hm, I figured the ogre with the crossbow was a medium-level threat just by his size, but now I'm starting to realize your assessment that Kore is more neighborhood's dogs worth of barking than bite might be onto something. After all, I always compare him to a Terminator, but their primary targets are an untrained woman and child respectively. I was expecting that Kin would for sure escape with her life to be indication enough of how far she's gotten, but now I'm hedging my bets she'll achieve a non-lethal victory even without letting Kore dominate the symbols. Granted, that increases her chances of getting hurt in the process; but what good is a tail like that if she isn't going to curl up like a rattlesnake?
This is why it's safe to say Thunt could have worded that balloon better.RocketScientist wrote:I missed that. So she's had all kinds of psionic and shape shifting powers all this time?
Correct me if im wrong but im PRETTY sure that page was keeping track on the costmetic damage forgath did to koreHjerne wrote:I'm not sure why you think the page you linked means he has to be level 14. Lay on hands is available to Paladins at level 2. It's an innate ability. Now he does have to be at least level 9 because he used remove paralysis and he wouldn't get that spell until level 9.BuildsLegos wrote:Do you actually think they made it through Brassmoon City without leveling up? Besides, this authentic Paladin spell puts him at least level 14 or higher. You can't use Big Ears' rope-trick to gauge anyone's level, as that magic-abusing loophole subverts the prospect of health; instead of being injured, Kore was being deprived a vital resource.
Which magic item of Forgath's are you counting, the +2 strength ring, the Kinslayer, the indestructible beard, the Hammace, or the fact that he reached level 4 mid-battle? Because with all that going for him, he was nearly chopped into thirds and could only manage to impale Kore through the hand for his troubles.
None of us are suggesting Kin will die here for sure, but there's no way Kore won't at least give her a good scare.
I will admit that I forgot Forgath had all those magic items but it still means that Kore is not that powerful. One of Thunt's latest tweets is that he kept a record of all the damage that Forgath dealt to Kore because it was extensive. Yet people in twitter and here were reacting as if Kin being slaughtered in battle against him is a forgone conclusion. When I saw who was coming my first reaction wasn't "NOOOOOOOOOOO" but rather Kore is going to find out what it's like to fight somebody his level.
For as long as her collar's on, her powers are subdued. When someone holds the leash, she has to obey, and cannot attack, them.thinkslogically wrote:She's only subdued when someone holds the leash tho.
Yuan-Ti innate powers are so powerful that she would risk it, IMO.ForgetsOldName wrote:But remember she suspects the explosion was a hoax. If she's at death's door, she risks it, get's her powers back? That would be interesting.
So Kore does it...because it somehow aligns to his moral code?Morgaln wrote:I don't think Kin can take off the collar. The page talking about the explosion was saying that it would happen if someone cast Remove Curse on it, as evidenced here. There was no mention at all of just taking off the collar. My assumption is that the collar acts like most cursed items in D&D and it is physically impossible to take it off without casting Remove Curse first.
The way Kore has been presented, there is no way he would let her live, for any reason.Eaglem wrote:So thinking about the prophecy and Kins leash... Is it possible Kore would use it to make Kin a tool to kill any other "monsters?" If so, thinking about the prophecy that Forgath goes to kill kin to save/release her from this fate and it's something Minmax couldn't handle Thus "friends will become enemies and love will fuel hate."
Sounds plausible - Kore fights & kills Kin, brings her back with his resurrection pills so she's bound to either answer questions, or complete one task... and the one task she's given to fulfill is to lead Kore to the goblins.Xavier78 wrote:The way Kore has been presented, there is no way he would let her live, for any reason.Eaglem wrote:So thinking about the prophecy and Kins leash... Is it possible Kore would use it to make Kin a tool to kill any other "monsters?" If so, thinking about the prophecy that Forgath goes to kill kin to save/release her from this fate and it's something Minmax couldn't handle Thus "friends will become enemies and love will fuel hate."
That doesn't sound plausible to me. There's no reason for Kore to even suspect Kin knows the goblins or Forgath, or that she would have a better chance of finding them than he does. The only way this would make sense is if he learned that she "sees" Minmax, and I doubt she'll tell him about that in the short window between them meeting and him identifying her as a monster.gharp wrote:Sounds plausible - Kore fights & kills Kin, brings her back with his resurrection pills so she's bound to either answer questions, or complete one task... and the one task she's given to fulfill is to lead Kore to the goblins.Xavier78 wrote:The way Kore has been presented, there is no way he would let her live, for any reason.Eaglem wrote:So thinking about the prophecy and Kins leash... Is it possible Kore would use it to make Kin a tool to kill any other "monsters?" If so, thinking about the prophecy that Forgath goes to kill kin to save/release her from this fate and it's something Minmax couldn't handle Thus "friends will become enemies and love will fuel hate."
(Or maybe the task is to hunt Forgath? Not sure which would fit the prophecy more closely)
The way I'm thinking on it. It doesn't matter if Kore knows anything about Kin and anyone. If he accidentally grabs it during the skirmish and she obeys he may just view her as a tool to do his work. This would be in line to his ideas on good and evil as to him it would seem a leash that makes "monsters" "good." In addition, it would give him reason to keep her alive to use her for her combat skills. This is similar to how Dellyn used her for... lets say, unsavory things, even though he tortured and mutilated other "monsters."Morgaln wrote:That doesn't sound plausible to me. There's no reason for Kore to even suspect Kin knows the goblins or Forgath, or that she would have a better chance of finding them than he does. The only way this would make sense is if he learned that she "sees" Minmax, and I doubt she'll tell him about that in the short window between them meeting and him identifying her as a monster.Xavier78 wrote:The way Kore has been presented, there is no way he would let her live, for any reason.Eaglem wrote:So thinking about the prophecy and Kins leash... Is it possible Kore would use it to make Kin a tool to kill any other "monsters?" If so, thinking about the prophecy that Forgath goes to kill kin to save/release her from this fate and it's something Minmax couldn't handle Thus "friends will become enemies and love will fuel hate."