The Lost Mines of Phandelver OOC
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Yup, it's a bit of a departure from past ways, but I think it allows for a more narrative description than there being a whole surprise round. If you have a high initiative, you notice them breaking cover and moving to attack the group, but aren't able to shout a warning to the others, low initiative, you were really unprepared, and can't get things together until the fight is well underway, etc. There are a few mechanical benefits, mostly in relation to being able to take a reaction after your turn and you are no longer surprised. An easy way to think of it is that you are spending your turn shaking off the "surprised condition", and can act normally after it.
I think most of the games I've seen are somewhat of a hybrid, if it is clear what their character would do, people often post in advance, possibly with a conditional, especially if they don't know when they'll be able to post next. If you are thinking of something that is highly dependent on what might be coming next, it's often better to wait and see.
From the GM side of things, sometimes I may be able to update multiple times a day, other days only once, or once every other, so I'll just go through the turn order and post for everyone I have actions for, and let whoever is up know it's their turn. Sometimes that means I'll be able to write an update that includes everything that people have posted about doing, other times I might have three or four actions pending, and can include in the next update once I hear from the person I'm missing.
I think most of the games I've seen are somewhat of a hybrid, if it is clear what their character would do, people often post in advance, possibly with a conditional, especially if they don't know when they'll be able to post next. If you are thinking of something that is highly dependent on what might be coming next, it's often better to wait and see.
From the GM side of things, sometimes I may be able to update multiple times a day, other days only once, or once every other, so I'll just go through the turn order and post for everyone I have actions for, and let whoever is up know it's their turn. Sometimes that means I'll be able to write an update that includes everything that people have posted about doing, other times I might have three or four actions pending, and can include in the next update once I hear from the person I'm missing.
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I'm okay with turn by turn, but like you say it will be slower.
Not sure how the mass update would work?
Not sure how the mass update would work?
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Some battles are more complex than others and need the turn by turn slow approach, others don't so much. Just play it by ear and see what works for each case.
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This is what I'm talking about with group updates. Keep in mind, this is a giant boss battle with a large number of fighters, but basically, everybody picks their targets, rolls for their attacks, and then once everybody has posted, the GM does an update for everybody all at once. Conditional actions can be posted, but it also gives the team time to talk about and enact a plan in one turn easier than separate individual turns, in my experience.
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Why would M0rt do that to himself?
I find doing updates as I'm able rather than waiting for a whole mess of them like that works better for me, if the players get ahead of me and there are posts for everyone, I inevitably leave something out. Or the update takes me too long to get it done unless I have extended time to devote to it, which doesn't always work.
I think you might just have to play around with it and see what works for you? If you want us to try an 'everyone post' thing, just let us know!
I find doing updates as I'm able rather than waiting for a whole mess of them like that works better for me, if the players get ahead of me and there are posts for everyone, I inevitably leave something out. Or the update takes me too long to get it done unless I have extended time to devote to it, which doesn't always work.
I think you might just have to play around with it and see what works for you? If you want us to try an 'everyone post' thing, just let us know!
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Holy...
I mean... Give it a shot, but good lord that looks like a nightmare! Then again, I can barely keep up with tiny updates right now so ymmv.
You also don't want to jump the gun too much. Like if everyone says they're going to attack during a round, but person 1 gets KO'd immediately, chances are that at least one subsequent player will change their action to help player 1. Which means more waiting for adjustments, or ploughing ahead with what could inadvertently cause a PC death (eg a (critical) death save failure plus taking additional damage from a vindictive monster could kill a PC within a round). Just something to consider maybe?
I mean... Give it a shot, but good lord that looks like a nightmare! Then again, I can barely keep up with tiny updates right now so ymmv.
You also don't want to jump the gun too much. Like if everyone says they're going to attack during a round, but person 1 gets KO'd immediately, chances are that at least one subsequent player will change their action to help player 1. Which means more waiting for adjustments, or ploughing ahead with what could inadvertently cause a PC death (eg a (critical) death save failure plus taking additional damage from a vindictive monster could kill a PC within a round). Just something to consider maybe?
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To be fair, that's the biggest fight we've had, with about 6 players, several npc's, and because it's pokemon that doubles the amount of people to control. Definitely the biggest fight we've had yet.
But yeah. I'll try one-by-one updates for now, unless it gets a little slow going.
But yeah. I'll try one-by-one updates for now, unless it gets a little slow going.
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You don't mind us posting in advance though, right? I know Lurks often does, as he spends the majority of the day running between meetings and patients.
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Nope! Posting in advance is okay if you're confident about your actions.
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Appreciate that! If it looks like my turn's going to come up while I'm busy, I try to leave a post ahead of time. If you had to wait for me to get unbusy before posting, well I figure it'd probably extend the time it would take to play a round by at least by twice.
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Wow. Ya it hurt my head even reading that.
I also tend to post ahead if I think I will be asleep when the updates come around, especially since it looks like our schedules are nearly inversed. I don't want to hang the game up a full day if I can help it.
I also tend to post ahead if I think I will be asleep when the updates come around, especially since it looks like our schedules are nearly inversed. I don't want to hang the game up a full day if I can help it.
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Just a quick note to Gathers, as long as you are using the crossbow your armor class (AC) is reduced by 2 as you cannot use your shield at the same time. It also takes a full combat turn to put on your shield. So right now your AC is effectively 14 rather than 16.
Though...I am not sure how hard Sam is being on this rule since it looks like he allowed Balin to have his shield and crossbow at the same time (no time to switch before the fight began)? The goblin rolled a 14 on its attack and Balin's AC without a shield is 16 so it didn't matter but still...
@Sam, how are you handling two handed weapons and shields along with the 1 turn don and doffing?
Though...I am not sure how hard Sam is being on this rule since it looks like he allowed Balin to have his shield and crossbow at the same time (no time to switch before the fight began)? The goblin rolled a 14 on its attack and Balin's AC without a shield is 16 so it didn't matter but still...
@Sam, how are you handling two handed weapons and shields along with the 1 turn don and doffing?
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Any chance of a bonus-action heal from one of the clerics while Kryz bleeds out on the floor?
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If the sheets are accurate, neither has healing word prepared.
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I was just looking for that... This is why we need 3 clerics
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Well, if a certain someone is genius enough to run heads-on into an obvious trap and due to bad luck and lack of sturdiness on their own part are unable to come to the healers, that someone will have to wait until after the battle to get some healing.
Also, what does that mean about the crossbow making 1d8 damage. Should I re-roll the (potential) damage roll, or can we just take the result from this one (there is a 4 on a d8, too, so I'm fine with that)?
And I'm aware of the shield, which is why I had Saca duck behind the cover of the cart, that should help. ^^
Also, what does that mean about the crossbow making 1d8 damage. Should I re-roll the (potential) damage roll, or can we just take the result from this one (there is a 4 on a d8, too, so I'm fine with that)?
And I'm aware of the shield, which is why I had Saca duck behind the cover of the cart, that should help. ^^
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Sam's call in the end, but you've a 50% chance of rolling higher on the proper die.
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Ninja'd
Maybe reroll and then let Sam pick?
Maybe reroll and then let Sam pick?
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Yeah, reroll with the proper die. You're the only one who actually hit anything, so I can't exactly handicap you too much, especially for a simple mistake like that.
Also, is there a reason why Aimee had disadvantage on her attack, Rodgeir?
Also, is there a reason why Aimee had disadvantage on her attack, Rodgeir?
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He's a sailor with 8 INT, what do you want from him?GathersIngredients wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:49 am Well, if a certain someone is genius enough to run heads-on into an obvious trap and due to bad luck and lack of sturdiness on their own part are unable to come to the healers, that someone will have to wait until after the battle to get some healing.
Ps Sam: Do you want the death saves rolled in the game thread or pm'd privately?
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Wow, even the spell didn't connect? I thought the hex would have made it easier for Aimee to hit her target, but then again, what do I know about what that spell is supposed to do? XD
Also posted the re-roll in the game thread. I would have laughed so much if it had gotten less damage than the d6 roll.
And Thinks: Saca's Int isn't any higher.
Also posted the re-roll in the game thread. I would have laughed so much if it had gotten less damage than the d6 roll.
And Thinks: Saca's Int isn't any higher.
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The goblin moved into melee and she used a ranged spell attack. Most ranged attacks have disadvantage at melee range. Unfortunately Eldritch blast suffers from this and she missed as a result rolling a 2 instead of a 14.
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No need for now. I'm not killing you guys in the first fight. From now on, you're fair game. But right now, you're just knocked out.thinkslogically wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:44 am Ps Sam: Do you want the death saves rolled in the game thread or pm'd privately?
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It's a bit more punitive than that, as you have disadvantage on all ranged attacks made while there is a non-incapacitated foe within 5 feet of you, whether they are who you are targeting or not. So not only is it tough to get the point blank shot off, but if you're trying to shoot their friend that is standing way over there, they get in your way too.
One of the reasons why it's handy for casters to eventually have a second damaging cantrip that isn't ranged. I'm partial to save based cantrips vs melee (touch) cantrips, as they help with not hitting allies if the GM is using cover rules in that way (eg, ally gives cover to the enemy, if it would hit without the cover, then it hits the ally).
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Again Spider is more correct!