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Xavier78 wrote:So it's erased from existence, except when it's not? Paradox? This doesn't make sense to me.

Krulle wrote:Indeed.
I find this EKN also a bit.... unlogical. The necklace never existed, how can the I.M.E. therefore reflect the necklace.

But Minmax will be happy to see her I.M.E., and even Forgath would be able to explain to her what it means.
Minmax might be less able to do so, as he cannot read. And would therefore be unable to explain the spelling error, if he even recognizes the letter.

Xavier78 wrote:So it's erased from existence, except when it's not? Paradox? This doesn't make sense to me.

Glemp wrote:

Xavier78 wrote:So it's erased from existence, except when it's not? Paradox? This doesn't make sense to me.

It's like this. The Oblivion Holes in the MAze of many were not, as Psimax admitted, true oblivion - they had flaws. They could erase two things - the object's physical form, and the memories of the object. But they couldn't re-write history so the object never existed, as true oblivion would. When the necklace was dropped in, Kin still had the trust in Minmax it gave her, but she couldn't remember why she trusted him. Similarly, if her tail had fallen in a Hole, Kin wouldn't remember ever having one but Scorpion-Kin would still be dead.

ForgetsOldName wrote: But there's an important difference in your reasoning. Scorpion Kin could still be dead, but there are many ways she could have been killed. Indeed, Kin might remember having killed her some other way, and it might even be that she had killed Scorpia that way.

Crimson wrote:

ForgetsOldName wrote: But there's an important difference in your reasoning. Scorpion Kin could still be dead, but there are many ways she could have been killed. Indeed, Kin might remember having killed her some other way, and it might even be that she had killed Scorpia that way.

I would suggest that it's important to note that you have no reason to conclude she might remember anything alternative at all. Forgath completely forgets that he even had a beard at all, he doesn't invent a reason why his beard is half-on, despite how strange it is. He knows he didn't cut it and he's aware when he got it back, but the fact remains he doesn't replace the absence of beard with a new reason. How could he? It, or anything about it has never existed to him or anyone else.

The same happens with Minmax's pants and shoes. Kin doesn't invent a reason for him having an extra shoe, or invent a reason that he's never had pants, she only understands that it's unusual. It would be incredibly difficult to invent a reason for something happening that you don't remember. It's sort of like, if you forget why you came into a room you could just invent a reason why you went there but why would you? When you have foggy gaps in your brain it isn't beneficial for you to fill it in with an alternative. Instead you just admit to yourself "I don't remember."

TL;DR here is even though you might be right about remembering "some other way" the evidence actually just points to a complete lack of any kind of understanding around any events involving whatever was obliterated. Just a vague thought of "That's how it's always been."

Rooks wrote:...Thunt isn't going to draw a thought bubble with another picture in it...

BuildsLegos wrote:

Rooks wrote:...Thunt isn't going to draw a thought bubble with another picture in it...

Well, not anymore, it seems.

ForgetsOldName wrote: But there's an important difference in your reasoning. Scorpion Kin could still be dead, but there are many ways she could have been killed. Indeed, Kin might remember having killed her some other way, and it might even be that she had killed Scorpia that way.

Your theory has the hole deleting the object, deleting the memory of the object, but not, say, a note that says "Kin, you wrote this note just after you dropped a boot into one of the oblivion holes. You used the boot to kick a hole in the wall behind you. You'll want to check and see if the hole is still there, and also see if you can remember the incident." To my mind the boot "writes" the memory of the object into your brain cells in the same way it "writes" a boot print onto a wall.

Guus wrote:

ForgetsOldName wrote: But there's an important difference in your reasoning. Scorpion Kin could still be dead, but there are many ways she could have been killed. Indeed, Kin might remember having killed her some other way, and it might even be that she had killed Scorpia that way.

Your theory has the hole deleting the object, deleting the memory of the object, but not, say, a note that says "Kin, you wrote this note just after you dropped a boot into one of the oblivion holes. You used the boot to kick a hole in the wall behind you. You'll want to check and see if the hole is still there, and also see if you can remember the incident." To my mind the boot "writes" the memory of the object into your brain cells in the same way it "writes" a boot print onto a wall.

No, she wouldn't remember a different way of killing her. She still would've killed her in the exact same manner, but she just wouldn't remember how she had done it, because for that she needs the memory of having a tail. The oblivion hole doesn't create new memories, it just erases ones that are related to that particular object (or body part, I guess). Kin would just be confused about how she killed the Scorpion Kin.

Wolfie wrote:

Matney X wrote:

Wolfie wrote:Kin is known for excessive dialogue and overthinking. It would be, IMO, strange if she didn't keep up a running monologue.

Inner monologing is one thing, but namedropping the Maze, Ruby, and Onyx was like a "Previously, on Goblins" before the episode actually starts. And there's nothing natural about how this inner monologue seems... do any of your inner monologues say "But I've long since given up..."

Beautiful page, as usual, but the exposition is super clunky.

You'd be surprised at what my inner monologues sound like.

Guus wrote:I don't mind the amount of text, I think it fits with Kin. However, the way it is done seems a bit... robotic?
I'm more curious why it's important to explain the trap. Is this going to go wrong? And if so, wouldn't her falling into a simpler, but better hidden trap be better for story progression than explaining yet another convoluted trap that has a good chance of being explained and then rendered completely useless right afterwards?

Guus wrote:[...]I guess it would've been better for me to have just waited a year and read the ten to twenty updates in one go :lol:

Guus wrote:Ah well, I used to like the dungeon explanations and the like. The glacial pacing of updates just makes them feel like they are in the way more than them adding anything. I want the story to develop, and these sidetracks make it take even longer.

Guus wrote:I'm more curious why it's important to explain the trap. Is this going to go wrong? And if so, wouldn't her falling into a simpler, but better hidden trap be better for story progression than explaining yet another convoluted trap that has a good chance of being explained and then rendered completely useless right afterwards?