May 13, 2016: The Cracking of Reality

[Krulle]

I presume the magic of the room made everything appear as evil. To incite adventure groups attacking each self.

[Rooks]

I dunno, BE was on the offensive in that battle same as everyone. He certainly wasn't just defending himself.

And the detect evil was vague and only showed that some of the demons were evil. Pretty sure that could be complains or the axe-demon, or he fluffed his check.

Ears was able to tell kin was non evil, caine as evil, and goblin slayer as evil, in spite of the evilness of the axe. He should have known which demons were evil.

Anyone have quick access to the 3.5 definition of Detect Evil? Work filters are preventing me from being able to find it.

[Guus]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/detectEvil.htm

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Detect Evil
Divination
Level: Clr 1
Components: V, S, DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: 60 ft.
Area: Cone-shaped emanation
Duration: Concentration, up to 10 min./ level (D)
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
You can sense the presence of evil. The amount of information revealed depends on how long you study a particular area or subject.

1st Round
Presence or absence of evil.

2nd Round
Number of evil auras (creatures, objects, or spells) in the area and the power of the most potent evil aura present.

If you are of good alignment, and the strongest evil auraÔÇÖs power is overwhelming (see below), and the HD or level of the auraÔÇÖs source is at least twice your character level, you are stunned for 1 round and the spell ends.

3rd Round
The power and location of each aura. If an aura is outside your line of sight, then you discern its direction but not its exact location.

Aura Power
An evil auraÔÇÖs power depends on the type of evil creature or object that youÔÇÖre detecting and its HD, caster level, or (in the case of a cleric) class level; see the accompanying table. If an aura falls into more than one strength category, the spell indicates the stronger of the two.

Creature/Object Aura Power
Faint Moderate Strong Overwhelming
Except for undead and outsiders, which have their own entries on the table.
Some characters who are not clerics may radiate an aura of equivalent power. The class description will indicate whether this applies.
Evil creature1 (HD) 10 or lower 11-25 26-50 51 or higher
Undead (HD) 2 or lower 3-8 9-20 21 or higher
Evil outsider (HD) 1 or lower 2-4 5-10 11 or higher
Cleric of an evil deity2 (class levels) 1 2-4 5-10 11 or higher
Evil magic item or spell (caster level) 2nd or lower 3rd-8th 9th-20th 21st or higher
Lingering Aura
An evil aura lingers after its original source dissipates (in the case of a spell) or is destroyed (in the case of a creature or magic item). If detect evil is cast and directed at such a location, the spell indicates an aura strength of dim (even weaker than a faint aura). How long the aura lingers at this dim level depends on its original power:

Original Strength Duration of Lingering Aura
Faint 1d6 rounds
Moderate 1d6 minutes
Strong 1d6×10 minutes
Overwhelming 1d6 days
Animals, traps, poisons, and other potential perils are not evil, and as such this spell does not detect them.

Each round, you can turn to detect evil in a new area. The spell can penetrate barriers, but 1 foot of stone, 1 inch of common metal, a thin sheet of lead, or 3 feet of wood or dirt blocks it.

There ya go

EDIT: I was apparently wrong in my statement that non-magical evil characters below level 4 have no evil aura, it's a faint evil aura. So any theory I connected to that is immediately rendered moot

[thinkslogically]

so all we need is for one person or thing in the party to be evil and BE would detect it. That doesn't mean EVERYONE in the group has to be evil and it could be he was just detecting the axe-demon (or complains's extra-demony self)

[Guus]

True. On the other hand, as long as the axe isn't an overwhelming evil presence (which would stun BE) he would be able to see if the individuals had an evil aura. Assuming the axe has an aura at least twice the level of BE, which wouldn't be a stretch given that the demon in the axe needed a hundred paladins of which only one survived the ritual. Then again, the axe might have some safeguards in place to prevent paladins from being stunned. It would be easy to take 2 rounds to use detect evil for BE outside of combat, that's only 12 seconds, which would tell him how many evil auras there are in that particular group. If he only used one round, 6 seconds, the axe would presumably be what catches his senses, but that is rather careless for a Paladin to do if he can take some more time to properly investigate what's going on.

The fact that Complains is undergoing a demonic transformation doesn't make him evil, that's not how alignments work.

So in theory it's very possible, but it would be bad "paladining" from BE's part.

[RocketScientist]

Is the spell the same in 3.0? Because I'm pretty sure spells were a specific area where Thunt was using the 3.0 version. I'm not very well-versed 3.x, but IIRC, Bull's Strength was one that was different (longer duration?) in 3.0.

[thinkslogically]

The fact that Complains is undergoing a demonic transformation doesn't make him evil, that's not how alignments work.

So in theory it's very possible, but it would be bad "paladining" from BE's part.

OK, fair enough on Complains. I wasn't sure since I thought demons were always evil but I'm not much of a D&Der

The bad "paladining" from BE seems to be a bit of a theme that other people have been picking up on, which is why I was wondering if there was some creeping influence from the axe that was starting to affect his judgement (which led on to the Kore speculations and stuff).

[Guus]

I took some time looking it up, but it seems that the Detect Evil from 3.0 is the same in its working. But that was a good point Thinks
The axe messing with the situation is the most logical answer, but rulewise it's a bit wonky. There is some homebrewing going on though, so it might as well be the case. THunt is more at home in 3.0 and 3.5 than I am though, so maybe he knows of some rulings that I do not. We'll see.

[miados]

so the most recent page was redone with blood or something oozing from the axe. i went back to see if other pages were redone at all but i dont remember well enough to know for sure.

[Krulle]

I also like how the blood oozing from the Axe is not caring about panel boundaries and simply oozes over it. It's not limited by the boundaries of this reality.

The previous pages did not show anything oozing.

A question for the English native speakers: In panel 8 of 9, Big Ears speech bubble includes "from the bottom, up." Is the comma there normal? I've always written it without comma, but that may be because I always did it wrong.

[Shardstorm]

It's a style choice, but it doesn't add or detract anything from the sentence.

[Krulle]

Thank You, Shardstorm.