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A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:11 pm
by TinSoldier
I haven't read "A Dance With Dragons" yet. I was disappointed with "A Feast For Crows" when I read it (several years ago, after several years of waiting). I love the TV series and have seasons 1 and 2 on Blu-Ray, and I plan on watching season three when it starts up in a month.
So, whither Westeros?
Edit: If anyone can kill more beloved characters than Thunt, it is George R. R. Martin (and Joss Whedon, of course).
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:49 pm
by Wolfie
I'm anxiously awaiting the date when the next book comes out so I can spend the previous 6 weeks catching up with the series... again.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:59 am
by WastesTime
I started reading the first book only today and I am really hooked on it. It was a drastic change for me, as I've just finished reading Le Guin's second tome of the Earthsea Trilogy, but Martin's heroic fantasy is, I can see that already, one of the best the genre has to offer! The only thing that needs some getting used to is a crap-load of characters to remember. In the first four chapters I was acquainted with about 15 people, the amount I've found in two first books (sic!) of the Earthsea Trilogy.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:17 am
by Wolfie
WastesTime wrote:I started reading the first book only today and I am really hooked on it. It was a drastic change for me, as I've just finished reading Le Guin's second tome of the Earthsea Trilogy, but Martin's heroic fantasy is, I can see that already, one of the best the genre has to offer! The only thing that needs some getting used to is a crap-load of characters to remember. In the first four chapters I was acquainted with about 15 people, the amount I've found in two first books (sic!) of the Earthsea Trilogy.
It's not the characters you have to worry about... it's the plot lines. They're more tangled and convoluted than a yarn factory overrun with kittens. There are about 10 characters you really need to pay attention to... but you'll figure that out on your own.
Good luck, it's a well written series that makes you think and might make you root for characters you initially hate.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:29 pm
by WastesTime
Wolfie wrote:
It's not the characters you have to worry about... it's the plot lines. They're more tangled and convoluted than a yarn factory overrun with kittens. There are about 10 characters you really need to pay attention to... but you'll figure that out on your own.
Good luck, it's a well written series that makes you think and might make you root for characters you initially hate.
Initially, the only characters I truly hate are the loveable twins of the House Lannister. The rest is pretty cool and some of them classify as overly manly men (taken to the extreme).
I like how Martin presents his characters and how each chapter is from a different perspective, that is really well done. As for the plot lines: I already can see that by the 5th book it's gonna be one hell of a ride.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:37 pm
by Wolfie
WastesTime wrote:Initially, the only characters I truly hate are the loveable twins of the House Lannister. The rest is pretty cool and some of them classify as overly manly men (taken to the extreme).
I like how Martin presents his characters and how each chapter is from a different perspective, that is really well done. As for the plot lines: I already can see that by the 5th book it's gonna be one hell of a ride.
Lovable twins? Pun intended?
Oh it is one hell of a ride. I've ended up rooting for characters I can't stand, hoping and waiting for other things to happen.. then have to wait for the next book because stuff hasn't happened yet. Martin is good at making you invest yourself in his books.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:52 pm
by WastesTime
Wolfie wrote:WastesTime wrote:Initially, the only characters I truly hate are the loveable twins of the House Lannister. The rest is pretty cool and some of them classify as overly manly men (taken to the extreme).
I like how Martin presents his characters and how each chapter is from a different perspective, that is really well done. As for the plot lines: I already can see that by the 5th book it's gonna be one hell of a ride.
Lovable twins? Pun intended?
Oh it is one hell of a ride. I've ended up rooting for characters I can't stand, hoping and waiting for other things to happen.. then have to wait for the next book because stuff hasn't happened yet. Martin is good at making you invest yourself in his books.
I didn't see that pun about the twins coming.
As for his books: I bought them for a fairly cheap price, a book set of 6, UK edition. The pace I am reading them at makes me realize I'll be dying to get my hands on the 6th installment of the series. He planned two more books which will wrap up the saga, did he not?
EDIT: The pun about the twins "coming" was not intended either! Gosh, I need to take my mind out of the gutter!
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:56 pm
by Wolfie
WastesTime wrote:Wolfie wrote:WastesTime wrote:Initially, the only characters I truly hate are the loveable twins of the House Lannister.
Lovable twins? Pun intended?
I didn't see that pun about the twins coming.
EDIT: The pun about the twins "coming" was not intended either! Gosh, I need to take my mind out of the gutter!
I'm dying over here... seriously.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:30 pm
by Rogbull
Everyone roots for Stannis, right?
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:20 am
by John
Rogbull wrote:Everyone roots for Stannis, right?
I'm watching you Rogbull
Our last fantasy football league was Game Of Thrones themed. It provoked some pretty clever team names
EDIT: American Football (Tackle Football)
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:08 am
by Rogbull
You mean American hand egg?
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:21 am
by lingrem
I can't remember which book I last finished - I'm going to assume it was the most current unless one has came out within the last year?
My favourites currently, as of the last reading...
John Snow. Tyrion.. and surprisingly, I find myself rooting for Sansa.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:27 am
by Rogbull
On the topic of Stannis though:
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Sure he's forsaken his gods for another shady god and he's not mister personality BUT he has some very good aspects: First off and probably the most important one; He actuelly went to the north to defend the realm. Secondly he gives men a high position based on their ability and loyalty, not status.
And last his sense of justice might be questionable because he chopped off some of Davos his fingers, but it IS fair. Be thy noble or peasent, Stannis will give you the same treatment.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:33 am
by John
lingrem wrote:I can't remember which book I last finished - I'm going to assume it was the most current unless one has came out within the last year?
My favourites currently, as of the last reading...
John Snow. Tyrion.. and surprisingly, I find myself rooting for Sansa.
I too like John Snow and Tyrion. As of right now, I loathe Sansa (I'm up to date on all the books), but I expect a major turn for her eventually. I find that Sir Davos is up there as well as Bronn for characters I like.
Dance with Dragons spoilers below
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In general I am annoyed with Rickon's story line. I get it, he's a young kid- how much of a role other than a Stark son will he play? Super stoked that Davos is going to search for him. Was wayyyy too shorted on Davos' story in the last book. Also Arya's story line is really slow despite the fact she is going through a lot. I'd like to see her brought back into play for the game of thrones soon,
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:56 pm
by lingrem
My prediction:
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I predict that Jon Snow and Daenerys will end up married and the new rulers. I've been predicting that one for ages and ages. I just feel like putting that in writing somewhere
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:22 pm
by Rogbull
Lingrim, are you just saying that because you think they'd make a cute couple? I don't think your prediction will come true, I'm sorry to say.
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:46 am
by John
I think:
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Tyrion gets a dragon. I think he becomes one of her dragon riders and serves her faithfully. What I really want to know is what is going on with the Catelyn-zombie. She's pissing me off
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:09 am
by lingrem
Rogbull wrote:Lingrim, are you just saying that because you think they'd make a cute couple? I don't think your prediction will come true, I'm sorry to say.
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Nope, I'm not saying that because I think they'd make a cute couple - I say that because I think the two of them combined would make the best rulers. They have similar "good" ideals and care about the people they're in charge of. It would make for a nicely united kingdom, and I think that the series will either end with the beginning of a united kingdom, or being completely destroyed. I think the two of them would be best fit to unite everything.
I know that I hadn't explained my thoughts before, but I sort of find your assumption about my reasoning rather insulting.
John wrote:I think:
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Tyrion gets a dragon. I think he becomes one of her dragon riders and serves her faithfully. What I really want to know is what is going on with the Catelyn-zombie. She's pissing me off
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I agree about Tyrion - I think it will be Tyrion and Jon Snow who end up on the dragons - and through that, I think Sansa and Tyrion will end up as a successful married couple eventually. Sansa's matured a lot, and Tyrion has gotten along both with Daenerys and Jon Snow.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:47 pm
by Rogbull
My apoligies for stereotyping you Lingrem, it won't happen again or more realisticly speaking, I'll try not to. Shouldn't add that last part but I seem to have a knack for it.
On topic though, with added spoilers of latest book:
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Ideals are all well and good but there's the fact that he's in the nights watch which means he can't marry nor does he have any possessions that would make marriage useful. He could become hand of the queen but one would think Tyrion is better suited for that. In fact I think a marriage between Tyrion and Daenarys would make more sense.
Besides, who knows what's left of Jon due to the aftermath of Dance with Dragons, he might end up like his stepmom.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:55 pm
by lingrem
No worries, you're forgiven!
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I know what you mean.. but I just really don't think that Jon WILL stay with the Night's Watch, or he'll at least be reforming it. And yeah, who knows what's actually happened with Jon... but this is still my speculation! I'd be happy with Daenerys/Tyrion because I think Tyrion would, individually, be the best ruler, but he IS married to Sansa even if no one thinks she's alive.. that's bound to come out at some point. And I think Daenerys is more shallow than that, as much as I like her.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:59 am
by thinkslogically
I love this series - book 4 was slow, but book 5 is building up again and I'm hoping that book 6 will be an epic one (much like book three was!).
Anyway, just dropped in to say: TinSoldier - keep reading! Book 5 (Dance with Dragons) is totally worth it! I'm going to disappear now before I get drawn into a massive conversation about all this and accidentally spoil it all for someone.
Though none of you mention Reek! I very much like where his story's going...
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:58 am
by Wolfie
thinkslogically wrote:Though none of you mention Reek! I very much like where his story's going...
Reek is .... not my favorite character, although his *is* a redemption story.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:59 pm
by TinSoldier
thinkslogically wrote:I love this series - book 4 was slow, but book 5 is building up again and I'm hoping that book 6 will be an epic one (much like book three was!).
Anyway, just dropped in to say: TinSoldier - keep reading! Book 5 (Dance with Dragons) is totally worth it! I'm going to disappear now before I get drawn into a massive conversation about all this and accidentally spoil it all for someone.
Though none of you mention Reek! I very much like where his story's going...
Thanks, I really need to.
I'm torn between re-reading from the beginning or just starting in on Dance.
Re: A Song of Ice And Fire/Game of Thrones
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:10 pm
by WastesTime
I'm at the end of book one and I must say that it is an AMAZING experience. It is not as hard to keep with the plot lines as I had imagined. Thankfully, the names of the chapters are the names of the characters and I've grown so attached to most of them, either through love or hate, that I know where am I the second I glance at the title.
I didn't watch the Game of Thrones on HBO but
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I sadly figured out that Sean Bean was Ned Stark (which was not as hard - this character seems to have been written for Bean!) and thus I knew he was gonna die. He always dies in his movies... Didn't reach that particular moment yet but I dread it, Ned was one of my favorite characters, right there next to Jon and Tyrion.
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:59 pm
by John
And more spoiler predictions
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Jon won't stay with the Night's Watch. Melisandre will bring him back from the dead....and having died he will be free of the restrictions of the nights watch. Plus no one in the night's watch would argue against letting the risen John leave. They are a superstitious lot anywho. But knowing Martin loves curveballs....I bet Jon refuses a direct thing with Daenerys, especially since we all want it to happen. In the end of all the fighting, I think you'll find Tommas wed and the liege of Castlery Rock, Daenerys on the throne, Mance serving in the North until Rickon is of age, and maybe Bronn serving over The Vale
. Don't know how many of these I ACTUALLY think will happen. But I'm stretching my imagination. But there is still Pyke, Sunspear, Dragonstone etc. So much to figure out