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Who are the red helmets?

Post by Rorrik » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:06 am

We know that before our MFK gets out of the maze of many-in fact, the next time Minmax needs his sword-they fight the red helmeted MFK. We know almost nothing about this particular reality, which of course calls for rampant and wild speculation before we risk finding out the real story. I figure there are a few more strips before we find out for sure, since they aren't even present in the battle below yet. (Unless they're on the other side of the tower. Why are there so few on the other side of the tower if there are several doors over there?)

Here's what I think we know:
  • They are extra serious
  • They are unarmed
  • Their reality presents a real reason to wear red helmets
Someone speculated that the red helmets protect against psions. That would be cool; if in their reality everyone is a psion it would explain all three points above. I do think that is assuming a bit much, though, and is really really convenient.

That said, my own wild speculation: Their reality has an arcane religious cult of which most the population is a part that believes that the brain is the container of the soul. To that end, red ceremonial helmets are constructed to expressly protect the mind. Given that the mind is the focus of their culture, and the body an extension of that mind, they do not wield clumsy, not-a-part-of-them weapons, but are all expert hand fighters. Their primary power is their ability to disarm, which will be hilariously inadequate against Oblivious, which Minmax will be able to summon at will.

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Post by ForgetsOldName » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:53 am

They are invisible.
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Post by gamecreator » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:26 am

I think Oblivious improves difficulty of disarm, as it can't be affected by disarmer. Or I don't understand how disarm works.

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Post by Sessine » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:03 pm

Knock Oblivious out of MinMax's hand, supposedly across the room, out of his reach -- and it disappears.

Until, of course, he reaches for it again, which in a fight he would do in the very next instant. So... oops, expert disarmer, tough luck! There it is, in his hand again!

Yes, hilariously inadequate just about sums it up.
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Post by Rorrik » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:22 pm

ForgetsOldName wrote:They are invisible.
That does explain them not being present.

I was also thinking they might be the great and terrifying thing the front line of the last panel are looking at. Maybe they're like power rangers and have formed some sort of megazord with which they are crushing their way onto the battlefield.

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Post by Rooks » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:05 am

Man. You guys are way better at spotting details then I. I had to go back and look up what you were talking about with fighting them next. Sure enough... crazy how meticulous that must have to be for Thunt.

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Post by kaylasdad99 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:25 am

Rorrik wrote:We know that before our MFK gets out of the maze of many-in fact, the next time Minmax needs his sword-they fight the red helmeted MFK. We know almost nothing about this particular reality, which of course calls for rampant and wild speculation before we risk finding out the real story. I figure there are a few more strips before we find out for sure, since they aren't even present in the battle below yet. (Unless they're on the other side of the tower. Why are there so few on the other side of the tower if there are several doors over there?)
Sorry, I'm new here. Can someone please link to the episode or the thread where this is established?

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Post by gamecreator » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:29 am

Here: http://www.goblinscomic.com/02082013/
You can see Minmax in the red helmet through the time hole on panel 3.

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Post by kaylasdad99 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:57 am

gamecreator wrote:Here: http://www.goblinscomic.com/02082013/
You can see Minmax in the red helmet through the time hole on panel 3.
So you can. Thanks much.

Is there a thread that speculates about the meaning of the eyeballs that are observing them when they open the door that gives them access to Minmax's armor and sword?

As shown here? http://www.goblinscomic.com/01272012/

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Post by Glemp » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:40 am

kaylasdad99 wrote:
gamecreator wrote:Here: http://www.goblinscomic.com/02082013/
You can see Minmax in the red helmet through the time hole on panel 3.
So you can. Thanks much.

Is there a thread that speculates about the meaning of the eyeballs that are observing them when they open the door that gives them access to Minmax's armor and sword?

As shown here? http://www.goblinscomic.com/01272012/
I think that that's just the Maze being creepy and putting eyes on its keys in that room for atmosphere. Or Thunt wanted something funny/interesting going on in the background to offset the serious conversation Kin and MinMax were having, like Forgath and the magic ring.

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Post by CelineSSauve » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:42 am

kaylasdad99 wrote:Is there a thread that speculates about the meaning of the eyeballs that are observing them when they open the door that gives them access to Minmax's armor and sword?

As shown here? http://www.goblinscomic.com/01272012/
That's the last key (the low INT one).

No clue why they have eyeballs, though. :P

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Post by gamecreator » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:51 am

I think that thread crashed with old forum.

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Post by wrecan » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:54 am

kaylasdad99 wrote:
gamecreator wrote:Here: http://www.goblinscomic.com/02082013/
You can see Minmax in the red helmet through the time hole on panel 3.
So you can. Thanks much.

Is there a thread that speculates about the meaning of the eyeballs that are observing them when they open the door that gives them access to Minmax's armor and sword?

As shown here? http://www.goblinscomic.com/01272012/
It's easier to understand if you look at this comic.

There's a chest with four keys, each of which is related to Intelligence, Strength, Dexterity, and Charisma. Each of the four keys has an eyeball in it. Three of the keys can be seen already in the locks to the chest.

In the comic you linked, the first five panels are from the perspective of behind the Intelligence key.

It is unclear if the keys themselves are sentient or if someone else has the ability to peer through the keys and spy, or if the eyeball thing is simply creepily decorative.

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Post by Rorrik » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:34 pm

I would have just said creepily decorative, but now you mention the spying concept, it is possible the other MFK who had placed 3 of the keys had some means of seeing through those eyes, so they would know to come back when someone else arrived.

Since this is becoming almost a general speculation thread, I have another question: When will Minmax use his second rage for the day: http://www.goblinscomic.com/04272012/

It could be useful against the red helments, probably not so useful against the psion, but I have a feeling he'll be using it when they leave the maze of many and he encounters with Complains again. Personally, I hope they team up at that point, because otherwise the comic won't really be about goblins very much. Also, Kore supposedly kills Forgath, according to the fortune teller.

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Post by SamWiser » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:23 pm

The fortune teller said that Forgath would die in a battle with a dwarf, she never said that it would be Kore. We just think that it is because that's the only dwarf we have seen so far. For all we know, the profesy could have been fulfilled in the MoM. Forgath probably died more than once, and who knows, it could be been another Forgath who killed him.
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Post by Rorrik » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:34 pm

That's a valid point, but if they don't remember what happens in the maze, is it reasonable to believe the fortune teller could see it? Besides, that's a terrible out from a story telling point of view. Thunt is telling a good story, not just trying to trick us.

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Post by SamWiser » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:19 pm

Yeah, I didn't really think it happened in the maze, and it probably will be Kore that kills Forgath, but Thunt has surprised us before, so who knows.
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Post by Rorrik » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:57 pm

You're very right that we don't know it's Kore, that just seems the most likely right now. But if it is another dwarf, I highly doubt it will count the maze of many, because he has almost certainly been killed by another Forgath after millions of tries.

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Post by Davis8488 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:18 pm

A confrontation between Kore and Forgath will likely immediately follow the Maze of Many. http://www.goblinscomic.com/01212011-2/

When we last saw the GAP they were fleeing Kore, only to be cut off by a person or group who teleported using magic with a green aura, as we would expect the Jade Teapot to have, and who's primary enemy in the group is Names.

The fact that the off-screen person taunts names is important to limit it to the FMK as Minmax is the only enemy encountered at this point who would focus on Names above the others, thus eliminating any far-fetched possibilities such as a resurrected Goblinslayer, who would have focused on Thaco, or someone who didn't know their names.

While Forgath would see Kore as an ally if Kin continues their original deal and stays with the Jade Teapot to return it to her homeland, if Kin decides that Minmax is more important than her quest then Kore will see him as potential evil for siding with a monster, even if Kin doesn't convince her party to a truce with the GAP. If Forgath dies in the first encounter then both teams will be without a cleric, with Big Ears being the only healer left.
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Post by SamWiser » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:24 pm

I will say that the shield of wonder possibly opened up the list of people considerably that might know name's name, and who might want to kill him. One of the effects (I can't remember which one) says that the striker cannot say anything other than the bearer's name unless a remove magic (or something like that) spell is cast. I don't know if that is what is happening, but I hope it's something like that. I don't want them to catch up to the GAP yet.
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Post by Orga the Strange » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:51 am

SamWiser wrote:I will say that the shield of wonder possibly opened up the list of people considerably that might know name's name, and who might want to kill him. One of the effects (I can't remember which one) says that the striker cannot say anything other than the bearer's name unless a remove magic (or something like that) spell is cast. I don't know if that is what is happening, but I hope it's something like that. I don't want them to catch up to the GAP yet.
No, the speaker said "Hi Names, remember me?" and that's more than Name's name so it doesn't seem likely. :/
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Post by gamecreator » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:10 am

Maybe he got that effect dispelled.

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Post by predator » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:33 am

I think i know who the red helmet is supposed to be.

Somewhere high up on the tower you see someone climbing the tower.
that person has a similar helmet as the red helmet in the previous glimpse.

Wat if it was a coloring mistake?
Wat if that person also has a color changing armor? Or if there is something else that might give it a different color.
It would be logical for minmax to face the first one who is climbing the tower so i suspect the green armored fella.
Ofcourse there might also be people climbing the other side of the tower.

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Post by brnforce » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:03 am

The red guy coming from the rear area isn't the Red Helmet Forgath.
http://www.goblinscomic.com/02182011-3/

You can see them in the bottom middle, the only thing red on them are their helmets.

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Post by Rorrik » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:25 am

predator wrote:I think i know who the red helmet is supposed to be.

Somewhere high up on the tower you see someone climbing the tower.
that person has a similar helmet as the red helmet in the previous glimpse.

Wat if it was a coloring mistake?
Wat if that person also has a color changing armor? Or if there is something else that might give it a different color.
It would be logical for minmax to face the first one who is climbing the tower so i suspect the green armored fella.
Ofcourse there might also be people climbing the other side of the tower.
The green helmet looks more like a circlet, revealing the top of his head.

Yes, Minmax and Forgath will almost certainly confront Kore, we've spent all this time watching Minmax come to terms with loving a "monster", so he could have a change of heart. By now he barely remembers why he is chasing Names. If they get another shield of wonder, and if they do get very lucky with the random effects, it could potentially resurrect both Chief and Forgath. I don't think that will happen, but it is the brightest ray of hope I have for either of them at the moment.

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