10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by stevedj » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:13 pm

Alvarin wrote:
T-RexWithTourettes wrote:Wait, what machine?
Also, jeez, I hope we're not in for some heartbreak or something. I feel something bad on the horizon. Like the reference to the GAP encounter though, bumped us up from 99.9% certain it was Minmax to 100.
Actually, not necessarily.
Psymax has said the same line and he is supposed to get killed twice and there is that "restoration gear"...
The "remember me" line could potentially be by Psymax, not Minmax156.
Question -- do we *know* for certain that the machine is 100% the creation of PsiMax?

What if the machine is in fact the "heart of the MoM" -- and PsiMax was just tinkering with it? (Well, ok, much more than tinkering, but still...). Maybe the machine really is how the MoM resets, except it has been tampered with quite a bit in this run...?

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Re: 10 August 2013, Remember me?

Post by RocketScientist » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:32 pm

Glemp wrote:
Liesmith wrote:Did I say that? I don't remember saying that. I may have been drunk.
You didn't. I'm saying that MM doesn't, and has never, cared about the White Terror. As far as he's concerned, he's on a quest to kill a goblin that gave him a scar - the White Terror stuff was to convince Forgath that it was okay to kill goblins again.
Liesmith is trying to tell you that you quoted Aquillion and attributed it to him.
Aquillion wrote:(This happened so incredibly long ago and got so little mention since then that I hope there's at least some callback to it, because I expect most readers have forgotten. But right now Folgath and Minmax's ultimate quest is to kill the GAP in order to prevent them from destroying the world, which they came to believe was the goblins' goal after reading some propaganda about the White Terror returning; they're going to get the Jade Teapot to accomplish that.)
He was trying to making a joke. It's his way. Maybe he'll get one right if he keeps trying. :P

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by RedwoodElf » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:44 pm

JustRight wrote: Kin can't turn on MinMax, o:) - I mean reject MinMax and go with the other Kins - that would be too much like Game of Thrones - I hate that cutthroat / killing off good guys for ratings George R.R. Martin thing. :stab: I can't believe THunt is like that based on past experience.
Now, Now, be fair...GRRM's novels killed off the same good guys in the same way, with no consideration for "Ratings" at all.
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Strawberrycocoa » Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:42 pm

Corpsificus wrote:I guess this means we get to look forward to a heartbreaking argument between Kin and Minmax that leads to their temporary separation. :D b
Kin maaaaaay not feel favorably towards the goblins, if I am remembering things correctly and if she remembers them as leaving her behind when they escaped Brassmoon. She had to endure additional Goblinslayer time after they left without her, after all. She may hold a grudge.

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Liesmith » Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:27 pm

Strawberrycocoa wrote:
Corpsificus wrote:I guess this means we get to look forward to a heartbreaking argument between Kin and Minmax that leads to their temporary separation. :D b
Kin maaaaaay not feel favorably towards the goblins, if I am remembering things correctly and if she remembers them as leaving her behind when they escaped Brassmoon. She had to endure additional Goblinslayer time after they left without her, after all. She may hold a grudge.
While I can certainly understand her feeling that way, she's also an incredibly level-headed character, so she my be able to put aside her emotions and rationally see that there's nothing they could've done without sacrificing their own lives.

EDIT: But if she does guilt-trip them, I think it'd be Super Effective against Big Ears.
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Unlucky-for-Some » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:11 pm

RedwoodElf wrote:
JustRight wrote: Kin can't turn on MinMax, o:) - I mean reject MinMax and go with the other Kins - that would be too much like Game of Thrones - I hate that cutthroat / killing off good guys for ratings George R.R. Martin thing. :stab: I can't believe THunt is like that based on past experience.
Now, Now, be fair...GRRM's novels killed off the same good guys in the same way, with no consideration for "Ratings" at all.

Quite so ... GRRM didn't really write in the death scenes with Ratings in mind ... it's pretty clear that his approach is based largely on personal preference rather than pandering to what he thinks/hopes other people will like (not that he can ignore that entirely, it is his income after all... but I don't think that is his main driver) The problem with the TV show is that it is such a compression of the books (as it must be) that it sometimes feels like a non-stop killing spree ...

By the way I like that stabbing smiley ... :stab: :thumbsup:
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Re: 10 August 2013, Remember me?

Post by willpell » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:54 pm

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Whoa. Is there any convenient way of doing this, apart from manually copying the link? On at least one forum I know, the Quote button automatically includes a link to the quoted post, and I've often wished this was true of all forums. Do we have such a function hidden away somewhere?
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Reirrac » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:08 am

Strawberrycocoa wrote:
Corpsificus wrote:I guess this means we get to look forward to a heartbreaking argument between Kin and Minmax that leads to their temporary separation. :D b
Kin maaaaaay not feel favorably towards the goblins, if I am remembering things correctly and if she remembers them as leaving her behind when they escaped Brassmoon. She had to endure additional Goblinslayer time after they left without her, after all. She may hold a grudge.
In this page, Kin qualifies said goblins of 'pretty heroic' (panel 3), so she probably do not totally dislike them.

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Davecom3 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:36 am

So, it just occurred to me, what would happen if the machine creating the oblivion holes fell into an oblivion hole?

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by DuIstalri » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:11 am

It wouldn't matter Davecom - the Oblivion holes just scrub the item from reality, it still existed, but since they aren't true Oblivion, the holes can only make people forget they existed. The example Thunt provided in the post about this was that Minmax's pants weren't actually erased from time when he dropped them in the hole - otherwise Forgath would have just bought him a different pair of pants back in Brassmoon. Instead, they were erased from memory and existance, hence Minmax in his underwear. He was wearing pants, he just forgot about it. So basically, the machine would be gone, and no one would remember it, but the holes would still be there.

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by RedwoodElf » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:15 am

Unlucky-for-Some wrote:
RedwoodElf wrote:
JustRight wrote: Kin can't turn on MinMax, o:) - I mean reject MinMax and go with the other Kins - that would be too much like Game of Thrones - I hate that cutthroat / killing off good guys for ratings George R.R. Martin thing. :stab: I can't believe THunt is like that based on past experience.
Now, Now, be fair...GRRM's novels killed off the same good guys in the same way, with no consideration for "Ratings" at all.

Quite so ... GRRM didn't really write in the death scenes with Ratings in mind ... it's pretty clear that his approach is based largely on personal preference rather than pandering to what he thinks/hopes other people will like (not that he can ignore that entirely, it is his income after all... but I don't think that is his main driver) The problem with the TV show is that it is such a compression of the books (as it must be) that it sometimes feels like a non-stop killing spree ...
Isn't "Non-stop killing spree" pretty much the definition of the word "war"?
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by kaeroku » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:48 am

RocketScientist wrote:The sky behind Minmax's future sword hand is yellow. Just like the sky where the GAP is.

edit: He also gets to keep the rainbow armor.
Awesome! I was wondering if anyone was going to comment on the future oblivious sword appearance and it's potential significance to the story. This is exactly what I came here looking for. Good catch!

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by kaeroku » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:54 am

Alarikun wrote:
deathofbarney wrote:Huh after reading some of the comments most people are thinking the sword draw infers complains... Although its not completely in his speech pattern Id think it would be more likely to foreshadow psimax's second coming.
Unfortunately, it shows too many signs that it's likely with Complains.

1) You can see the background through the portal (the color). Compare it to the the area we last saw the Goblin Adventuring Party (GAP). See the sky? Looks vaguely familiar, doesn't it?

2) His armor is now green. It is likely because he mentions the Jade Teapot being green. This is only speculation at most.

3) "Remember Me". Specifically, Minmax says "Hi Names, Remember Me?" It is likely that he starts the sentence, reaches back to draw Oblivious, and says "Remember Me" as he does, thus what we hear.

It's pretty irrefutable if you ask me... though Thunt could be pulling a fast one on us.
In addition to this, Thunt did confirm we're going back to the GAP as soon as we're done with the MoM. He did NOT say we're going away from FMK. It's very possible that we'll see the storylines converge. Not saying we will or won't, I'm not taking your comments as quite so "irrefutable" as you'd have us believe, because I like Thunt's unpredictability... but adding to the discussion here. :)

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by JustRight » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:26 am

Davecom3 wrote:So, it just occurred to me, what would happen if the machine creating the oblivion holes fell into an oblivion hole?
Oblivion echoes / reflections modulated by entropic field effects trending toward background hum - probably in 15 billion years - or in a femtosecond. ;)
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Sessine » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:33 am

I really like the way Thunt can make one panel serve more than one purpose. Two great examples on this page:

Panel 3 - Lead-in: Forgath gets in a wonderfully sarcastic retort! Main point: MinMax sees Kin and is stunned -- the sword falls from his grasp. It's picked up by his future self outside the maze, answering a question that fans have been speculating about for two years, and confirming that we're almost to the end of the Maze of Many section of the story.

Last panel - an emotion-laden embrace that's been a long, long time coming. Ruby's WTF reaction! And in the background, a reminder that the door to the treasure room is just past that hole in the wall, so again, we're very near the end of this arc.

You know... MinMax isn't Thunt, not at all, and Kin isn't Danielle. But... from what I've seen, from what he's written, from the way he talks about Danielle, Thunt is sappy-sentimental-silly-inlove with her in very close to the same way MinMax feels about Kin (with appropriate translations for an entirely different world), which is why he's able to tell their love story so powerfully and make us believe it.
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by willpell » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:00 am

RedwoodElf wrote:Isn't "Non-stop killing spree" pretty much the definition of the word "war"?
No, it continues to be a war even when months pass without any actual killing. A number of medieval "wars" consisted mostly of an army camping outside the walls of a castle and glaring at the defenders on the battlements, who glared back and periodically ducked behind the crenellations, ready to pour boiling oil on anyone who got too close. This is what was meant back then by "Passive-Aggressive".....

Disclaimer: I didn't fact-check any of this...if necessary, consider it a humorous anecdote rather than historical data.
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Unlucky-for-Some » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:23 pm

Yeah I was going to say that non-stop killing spree is probably more of a definition of the word "battle" rather than "war" ... wars can have long quiet periods.
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Post by DrinksTooMuchCoffee » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:42 pm

Unlucky-for-Some wrote:Yeah I was going to say that non-stop killing spree is probably more of a definition of the word "battle" rather than "war"[...]
Or Fox's programming department.

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by RedwoodElf » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:35 pm

DrinksTooMuchCoffee wrote:
Unlucky-for-Some wrote:Yeah I was going to say that non-stop killing spree is probably more of a definition of the word "battle" rather than "war"[...]
Or Fox's programming department.
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by RocketScientist » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:20 pm

willpell wrote:
Aquillion wrote:
Whoa. Is there any convenient way of doing this, apart from manually copying the link? On at least one forum I know, the Quote button automatically includes a link to the quoted post, and I've often wished this was true of all forums. Do we have such a function hidden away somewhere?
I don't know. I did it manually. There might be a forum modification for it.

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Jochi » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:34 pm

thinkslogically wrote:Could be that he only gets one more use out of the sword. Because the next time he draws the sword, he's drawing it (spatially) from inside the MoM it might be that it still counts as working, but that once it's dropped again in the 'real world' it just turns into a normal (albeit badass) sword again.

That could work as a get-out clause for having something badass to hit Kore with, but without then letting MinMax have access to the world's most overpowered weapon for the rest of their adventures.
My thought was even worse. Oblivious can only exist within the MoM, but when we see it last, it's still IN the Maze, just being pulled out of it. Minmax draws it, then stares stupidly at his suddenly-empty green glove, giving Kin a moment to tell him and the GAP that neither are evil and both have helped her. How that folds into the prophesy is anybody's guess.

But with Kore coming up fast, I'd hope there had been a scene like this just before that:
For: "Minmax, check out this Sword of Awesome Armor Ablation. Take it!"
Min:"Why do I need another weapon? I have Oblivious, and it can't be destroyed and I can't lose it."
For:"Just take it anyway. If nothing else, we can sell it when we get back to a town."

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by AccursedBiscuit » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:21 pm

Hmm. My prediction as far as Kin goes. The kinship will reduce that the restoration/teleportation machine is on fact used when resetting the maze. They figure out that they can restore our Kin's tail, but it would also reset her memory, making her forget the entire maze experience, but leaving MM the knowledge of everything that happened to them. Who knows, could be right, probably wrong. It does fit in with the bitter sweet feel that is often present in this comic.
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Orzahn » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:18 pm

I'm starting to loathe this topic. every time when I see a question or an assumption I could answer or help clarify someone else has already beaten me to it.

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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by Unlucky-for-Some » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:23 pm

I don't want Oblivious to be lost ... I want to see the look of shock in Kore's left eye when MM parries his Holy Sword :)
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Re: 10 August 2013, cakes and backrubs

Post by morikahn » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:34 pm

Nice job on panel 3, Thunt. Your walls corners are looking good too :)

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