Civilization 6: ENTRIES for 2nd Round CLOSED

[kida]

Please remove my vote for pro.
I also suggest removing the over budget people from the vote to make them resubmit their vote

[BadgeAddict]

That isn't a bad idea, but since I listed the "cost" beside each line item it is hopefully easier to change their votes.
If people just want to tell me what they no longer want i will happily change it for them. Reposting the list for page 5.

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(Aegis) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=10/10)
(Alaen) - (Race = 1/1) - (Tweak =9/10)
(Badge) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=9/10)
(Bahamut) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=10/10)
(Chuck) - (Race = 1/1) - (Tweak = 8/10)
(D34d) - (Race = 1/1) - (Tweak = 10/10)
(Davecom3) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=10/10)
(kelten) - (Race = 1/1) - (Tweak = 4/10)
(Kida) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=9/10)
(madmartin26) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=10/10)
(NewOne) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=12/10)
(Noland) - (Race = 1/1) - (Tweak = 11/10)
(Quarg) - (Race =1/1) - (Tweak = 10/10)
(Saru) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=8/10)
(SVM) - (race=1/1) - (tweak=12/10)

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1 Chelydrians (Chuck)
1 Drow (madmartin26)
3.5 Dwarves (Alaen, Aegis, Bahamut, .5 Badge)
1 Formicid (SVM)
1 Half-Breeds (Badge)
1 Ogres (kelten)
2 Orcs (Noland, Saru)
1 Ponies (Quarg)
2 Simple Celled (D34d, kida)
1 Skaven (NewOneAround)
1 Sky born (Davecom3)
0.5 Minotaurs (.5 Badge)

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(-1) 5 - Abandoned citadel (kelten, Saru, Bahamut, NewOneAround, Madmartin26)
(-2) 2 - Accelerated Maturity (Davecom3, SVM)
(-1) 1 - Avian (Davecom3)
(-3) 1 - Blessed Realm (Alaen)
(-1) 1 - Cavalry (Saru)
(-2) 1 - Celestial Event+ (NewOneAround)
(-1) 1 ÔÇô Chameleon Skin (Bahamut)
(-1) 1 - Claws (Aegis)
(-1) 1 - Deviant Deity (NewOneAround)
(-1) 1 - Doomsday Clock (D34d)
(-1) 5 - Dragon's blood (Chuck, madmartin26, Aegis, Badge, SVM)
(-1) 1 - Eidolon (Aegis)
(-1) 4 - Extra Arms (Aegis, SVM, NewOneAround, Badge, )
(-1) 1 - Fast Breeding (Davecom3)
(-3) 2 - Genetically Stable (D34d, Saru)
(-1) 1 - Habitat (Badge)
(-1) 1 ÔÇô Hivemind (Bahamut)
(-1) 1 - Hooves (Aegis)
(-1) 1 - Horns (Aegis)
(-2) 4 - Interracial+ (Chuck, Badge, Davecom3, SVM)
(-1) 2 - Interracial- (Aegis, NewOneAround)
(-1) 1 ÔÇô Lava Layer (SVM)
(-1) 1 - loner (kida)
(-1) 2 - Low Magic(NoLand, kida)
(-1) 1 - Marked for Death (NoLand)
(-2) 5 - Monster Zoo (NoLand, Quarg, Kelten, D34d, madmartin26, Davecom3)
(-1) 1 - Mountain (Alaen)
(-1) 2 - Mundivore (D34d, Saru)
(-2) 4 - Mysterious Benefactor (Chuck,Quarg, madmartin26, NewOneAround)
(-1) 1 ÔÇô Mystic (Bahamut)
(-1) 1 - necrovore (kida)
(-1) 1 - Neutral Zone (NoLand)
(-1) 2 - nomadic (madmartin26, Chuck)
(-1) 3 - One Life to Live (D34d, SVM, Bahamut)
(-1) 7 - Pirates (Chuck, Noland, Quarg, D34d, madmartin26, Badge, kelten)
(-1) 1 - powered by death ( kida)
(-1) 2 - Population- (D34d, Davecom3)
(-1) 4 - Post Apoc (D34d, Saru, SVM, Bahamut)
(-1) 1 ÔÇô Prehensile Tail (SVM)
(-1) 5 - Redstone (NoLand, Alaen, Quarg,kida, NewOneAround)
(-1) 5 - Resource Poor- (Chuck, NoLand, kida, Badge, NewOneAround)
(-2) 1 - Resource Rich+ (Alaen)
(-1) 1 - Scaled (Aegis)
(-1) 1 ÔÇô Sickly Breeding (SVM)
(-1) 3 - Space (D34d, Badge, Bahamut)
(-1) 5 - Steampunk (Alaen, Quarg, kida, madmartin26, Badge)
(-1) 1 - Taur (Aegis)
(-1) 6 - Tolerant ( Alean, NoLand, Quarg, madmartin26, Davecom3, Saru)
(-1) 3 ÔÇô Toxic (SVM, Bahamut, NewOneAround)
(-1) 2 - Underdark Connections (NoLand, kida)
(-1) 2 - Valley (NoLand,Quarg)
(-1) 1 - Volcanic (Alaen)
(-1) 4 - Warzone (Quarg, kida, Bahamut, NewOneAround)
(-1) 1 - Warpstone Deposit (Bahamut)

[Aegis J Hyena]

This is why I gave people a week for entries to remain open. Heh. Interesting to watch. Entries Close on Friday... not sure what time, probably afternoonish.

Edited to add: I'm working on the opening ceremonies right now, just typing where my fingers will go, and it looks like you're going to be ending up with shipbuilding materials good for three ships (or one giant ship) --- not going to start with anything, you'll have to build with what you get (though Redstone + Warpstone + Steampunk precious metal mine will make things interesting). With that in mind you might want to rethink how your race's members are divided up (as well as the Skaven, who start with double population rather than just 70). I've already erased all the mockups from earlier.

[D34dlock]

If it came down to changing my vote or losing it I'd remove monster zoo & put it in the second round.

[Quarg]

This is why I gave people a week for entries to remain open. Heh. Interesting to watch. Entries Close on Friday... not sure what time, probably afternoonish.

Edited to add: I'm working on the opening ceremonies right now, just typing where my fingers will go, and it looks like you're going to be ending up with shipbuilding materials good for three ships (or one giant ship) --- not going to start with anything, you'll have to build with what you get (though Redstone + Warpstone + Steampunk precious metal mine will make things interesting). With that in mind you might want to rethink how your race's members are divided up (as well as the Skaven, who start with double population rather than just 70). I've already erased all the mockups from earlier.

But don't we have a citadel and island also?

[Davecom3]

Just take off Jack of All Trades, Celestial Event, and Warpstone Deposit.

[BadgeAddict]

Might I suggest something...If those of you who chose Monster zoo, were to instead choose...anything else...and then choose half-breed as your race. We would still have more races, more population & no skaven, because frankly, having skaven (who hate everyone) in our tribe, scares me.

Also, fixed for you davecom and you D34d

[Quarg]

Inherantly this shows the problem of people these days...everyone wants their particular favored race without really thinking about the society at a whole...just like the internet...

[Aegis J Hyena]

Quarg --- you'll have a central base of operations (neutral territory for pirates, like a pirate city) and a "home base".

And if you think this is bad, I intend to post to /b/ on Wednesday with a list of all the races people picked, to make people go "How the hell does that work"? Heh.

[BadgeAddict]

Well, Quarg, if we (and others) work together, and form enough of an alliance on certain things, we could make a truly great civilization that will stand the test of time.

[Quarg]

Well I will admit to taking the ponies as just a bit of a joke...but one that has grown on me for two reasons:

The Pegasi can control weather and fly...two serious benefits to a waterborne society...(And if you don't know how having a couple of flying horses can benefit a ship operating at sea then you have not studied sea tactics..

(I will gladly turn the ponies into a half-breed but I don't have any idea of a workable half breed that would maintain the Pegasi element we need)

Edit: Ponies can't be a half breed...

And neither can Centaurs there badge...

[madmartin26]

The Drow are with the Formicids, huh? Well, i guess we can make it work. Tolerance and all that.

Personally, i love the idea of having airships, and if we have both air and water ships then i would prefer to be on an airship, but either would be awesome.

One idea if it isn't to complicated: since the majority of the population is going to be on ships, could we make the racial pros and cons apply to the groups based on the races on the ship? Meaning, a ship with only dwarves would have the pros and cons of dwarves only when attempting soemthing, whereas a dwarf/minotaur ship woud have the pros and cons of both. To me this makes sense because while the ships are allied and will definitely interact and help each other, they are essentially seperate environments and will spend enough time away from the others to have their own cultures. Also, it seems like a good way to give the ships individuality.

I would also like to switch my tweak vote from warzone to abandoned citadel. Hopefully that helps!

[BadgeAddict]

Home base kind of negates that idea since ships wouldn't always be on the open water.

Another List, just trying to keep everything in one place. If i missed you, please let me know.

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D34dlock (Simple Celled)

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10 Spewers, (Al)chemists & Ranged warriors
10 Eaters, Melee Warriors & Janitors
10 Lurkers, Ambushers & Rogues
10 Thinkers, Researchers & Leaders
10 Rememberers, Sages & "Old Ones"
20 Makers, Smiths & Tinkerers

Madmartin (Drow)

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1 captain
1 first mate
1 expert navigator/cartographer.
1 cook.
1 scientist
1 diplomat.
6 elite operators
20 melee warriors
10 ranged specialists,
10 mages
10 sailors
8 technicians

Kelten (Ogres)

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20 shipbuilders
20 sea-ogres
10 pearl-divers
1 ogre-mages
10 shamans
9 stone tossers

Chuck (Chelydrians)

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1 Captain
1 First mate
1 Communications officer
1 Apprentice communications officer
1 target seeker
7 Healers
8 tiderunners
20 Salvage Divers
20 Warriors
10 Offensive Casters

Alaen (Dwarves)

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15 Defenders
15 Marksdwarves
10 clerics
10 engineers
10 artificers
5 miners
2 brewers/cooks
2 merchants/diplomats
1 mage

SaruSama (Orcs)

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5 Shaman
15 farmers/fishers
25 sword and board fighters
15 Merchants
10 Craftsmen

Badge (Half-breed Dwarves & Minotaurs)

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35 Minotaurs =
29 Berzerker Vikings (Tanks = Plate Mail, Huge Swords)
2 Shaman
3 Healer
1 Minotaur Berzerker Commander
35 Dwarves =
30 Heavy Archers
2 Shaman
3 Healer
70 Dwarvotaurs =
60 Berzerker Vikings (Tanks = Plate Mail, Huge Swords) - just shorter
2 Shaman
3 Healer
5 Tanks

SuperVaderMan (Formicid)

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1 Clutch-Leader/Captain's Advisor
1 Clutch-Second
4 Medics
8 Earth-Workers (do both mining and building)
8 Sailors/Laborers
8 Tradesmen
20 Melee fighters
20 Ranged fighters

Davecom (Skyborne)

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8 are Crows-Nests
15 are Snipers
15 are Weather-watcher mages
15 are Trapper/Lancer
5 Engineer/Mechanics
7 Combat Medics
5 Nurses

Bahamut (Dwarf)

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30 Paladins
20 Clerics
10 Technicians
10 Farmers/Food Gatherers

NewOneAround (Skaven)

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12 Priests of the Horned Rat
50 Warlock Engineers
20 Saboteurs
17 Master Moulder
30 Jailers
10 Rat Ogres
1 Grey Seer

Aegis (Dwarves)
NolandKing (Orcs)
Quarg (Ponies)
Kida (Simple Celled)

[SuperVaderMan]

The Drow are with the Formicids, huh? Well, i guess we can make it work. Tolerance and all that.

The Formacids can provide the non-magic muscle!

Though if we had Extra Arms, they could provide even more non-magic muscle.

[Aegis J Hyena]

The pros and cons stand as they are; how you deal with them remains to be seen. The ships will have individuality, trust me.

[ChuckDaRighteous]

One idea if it isn't to complicated: since the majority of the population is going to be on ships, could we make the racial pros and cons apply to the groups based on the races on the ship? Meaning, a ship with only dwarves would have the pros and cons of dwarves only when attempting soemthing, whereas a dwarf/minotaur ship woud have the pros and cons of both. To me this makes sense because while the ships are allied and will definitely interact and help each other, they are essentially seperate environments and will spend enough time away from the others to have their own cultures. Also, it seems like a good way to give the ships individuality.

Yeah, he already shot that down unfortunately. a lot of of our cons are gonna come back and bite us in the ass thanks to monster zoo.

Ponies can't be a half breed...

And neither can Centaurs there badge...

Yeah that irked me too.

I'm working on the opening ceremonies right now, just typing where my fingers will go, and it looks like you're going to be ending up with shipbuilding materials good for three ships (or one giant ship) --- not going to start with anything, you'll have to build with what you get (though Redstone + Warpstone + Steampunk precious metal mine will make things interesting)...

...I've already erased all the mockups from earlier.

Agh... Adding nomadic to my vote, half because I want to roam the seas, half to spite this.

And even if I don't start with one, I have a plan...

My current tweak votes:
Nomadic
pirates
Resource poor -
Mysterious Benefactor
Interracial+
Dragon's blood

[madmartin26]

The Drow are with the Formicids, huh? Well, i guess we can make it work. Tolerance and all that.

The Formacids can provide the non-magic muscle!

Though if we had Extra Arms, they could provide even more non-magic muscle.

Hrm, well if the formicids are providing a lot of the muscle, then could i change the number melee fighters from 20 to 10 and the wizards from 10 to 20(15 combat and 5 utility)?

Then the Drow can concentrate more on blasting and shooting the enemies.

Edit: more nomad support, yay!

edit again: i just noticed that we're voting based on cost of tweaks now (seems a little odd, but whatever), so give me a chance to think about how to fix that.

[BadgeAddict]

Technically, we were supposed to be voting that way...that being said, you have 10 tweaks to "spend" as you see fit.. meaning you could vote for 10 tweaks which all cost 1 or 5 tweaks that all cost 2.

Current Top Tweaks
(-1) 7 - Pirates (Chuck, Noland, Quarg, D34d, madmartin26, Badge, kelten)
(-1) 6 - Tolerant ( Alean, NoLand, Quarg, madmartin26, Davecom3, Saru)
(-1) 5 - Abandoned citadel (kelten, Saru, Bahamut, NewOneAround, Madmartin26)
(-1) 5 - Dragon's blood (Chuck, madmartin26, Aegis, Badge, SVM)
(-2) 5 - Monster Zoo (NoLand, Quarg, Kelten, D34d, madmartin26, Davecom3)
(-1) 5 - Redstone (NoLand, Alaen, Quarg,kida, NewOneAround)
(-1) 5 - Resource Poor- (Chuck, NoLand, kida, Badge, NewOneAround)
(-1) 5 - Steampunk (Alaen, Quarg, kida, madmartin26, Badge)
Tie for place 9 & 10
(-1) 4 - Warzone (Quarg, kida, Bahamut, NewOneAround)
(-1) 4 - Post Apoc (D34d, Saru, SVM, Bahamut)
(-2) 4 - Mysterious Benefactor (Chuck,Quarg, madmartin26, NewOneAround)
(-2) 4 - Interracial+ (Chuck, Badge, Davecom3, SVM)
(-1) 4 - Extra Arms (Aegis, SVM, NewOneAround, Badge, )

[madmartin26]

new tweak votes:

pirates (1)
abandoned citadel (2)
nomadic (3)
tolerant (4)
steampunk (5)
space (6)
pst apoc (7)
mysterious benefactor (9)
Dragon's blood (10)

I guess i had misunderstood, i thought we were voting for 10 tweaks (of any cost), and the top 7 points worth of tweaks would be taken with the next three points worth would be unlockable.

Anyway, sorry for all the changes, still trying to figure this all out.

[BadgeAddict]

Updated your changes^

[Quarg]

What pisses me off is I'm going to have to get rid of my Ponies to get rid of the damn rats...

[BadgeAddict]

Although i agree with you Quarg, I would wait at least until the 25th, we don't know if anymore people will vote, which may change the landscape fairly drastically.

[madmartin26]

What pisses me off is I'm going to have to get rid of my Ponies to get rid of the damn rats...

Yeah. Personally i'm pretty sad that so many of the cons and pros are global, it takes all the viability and fun out of having monster zoo.

[BadgeAddict]

Quarg....I have a proposal for you....

If you can make certain that monster zoo will not happen, i will vote for ponies...as much as i love my dwarvotaurs...i will do this to end monster zoo..

Granted, I will only make this change on lets say...the 26th...and your changing your vote means monster zoo not happening...I hope you understand that bit.

[Quarg]

I will agree to this at the moment...
but we do need to convince one other person to drop the monster ball...
(I liked your dwarvotaur concept too actually...)