Trinity Isles OOC

[Dusk9]

I would put extra range as higher. Espessially as with a flying pokemon. They already get a giant boost for being able to attack in the air. And 5 damage is not really that much. And mort basically traded a unique ability for a different unique ability.

Fair enough. In my opinion, +2 range is great on a 2 range move, but not so good on an 8 range move. Since at that point, you're basically out-distancing everything already. And I did suggest Levitate instead of Sky to balance things, which would solve the kiting problem somewhat.

And a permanent +5 damage is actually pretty strong. It's equivalent to about +2DB for moves under DB10. And you can stack it, too - things like Type Boosters, Life Orb, Musician Songs, Last Chance Abilities, etc. Zeke is a great example; he gets +5 from Mach Speed, Vanguard, and Flying Booster. Throw in a Song of Might, and he's +20 ATK for Flying Moves, and +10 for everything else. That's basically +100%/+50% ATK at the moment, which is hardly insignificant.

[Dlover]

Okay, so I've just found something. The Trainer Combat pages on these sheets? They apply stab to moves by default. That's because it uses the images to display the types, which registers as having no text, so it matches the empty cells. The following goes in the first light grey cell, then extends up and down from there.

=iferror(vlookup($E18,'Moves Data'!$A$3:$K$738,11,FALSE),"--")

Or it should. But I moved it to another sheet and it doesn't work... Problem solved.

Edit: To clarify, that code's for F18 downward. And up, I guess.

[SuperVaderMan]

Quick question, did Koa get off his Rock Tomb? I don't see any mention of it in the update.

[M0rtimer]

Phew, actually been sick the past couple days, so that's why this took so much longer than it should... Anyways, to quickly look at your suggestions for Fern... I think stylistically, I prefer the hovertank concept... But I'd have to give it a proper check before making a final decision. Not sure why seed bomb would translate to beak blast/hurricane though..? That's essentially a DB upgrade. Haven't checked the other examples but I'll assume they're mostly 1:1 (I am not saying he won't gain a means towards unlocking some high power flying moves, though)

And yeah, seems I accidentally skipped Koa, oops. That would actually knock out one of the spiders before it can hit Izzy, meaning she's not KO'd... I'll quickly edit the update.

[SuperVaderMan]

Eyyy, good thing I asked

Get better soon btw!

[Dusk9]

Not sure why seed bomb would translate to beak blast/hurricane though..? That's essentially a DB upgrade. Haven't checked the other examples but I'll assume they're mostly 1:1 (I am not saying he won't gain a means towards unlocking some high power flying moves, though)

Seed Bomb doesn't have a 1:1 Flying substitute. It's an At-Will, DB8, Range 8, AC2, Physical Move. Closest examples are Drill Peck, Acrobatics, and Fly - the former is already getting substituted for Power Whip, and the latter two are TM moves.

If you want the moves to be more equivalent, we could do Power Whip->Beak Blast and Seed Bomb->Drill Peck instead, though? That's actually a much more equal substitution, for both of them. If anything I lose some power, since Blast Beak is 2DB lower than Power Whip and doesn't have Smite.

[Arch Lich Burns]

Beak blast isn't though. It causes burning, powerwhip doesn't do that. And flying moves are stronger than grass ones due to typing.

[Dusk9]

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Power Whip: DB12, AC5, Scene x2, Range 8, Effect [Smite, Grants Threaded]
Pros: Better damage; Smite; better Range; Threaded

Beak Blast: DB10, AC2, Scene x2, Range 6, Effect [Attackers are Burned if they hit the user (with a Melee Move) during that turn]
Pros: Better accuracy; can Burn Melee attackers

Yes, Flying is better than Grass offensively, but Power Whip has +2DB on Beak Blast to balance it out. Power Whip is less accurate, but it has Smite. And Beak Blast Burns Melee attackers, but only that turn - if they don't attack, or use a Ranged/Status Move, it does nothing. While Power Ship gives higher Range and Threaded, for lots of utility.

Pretty much no moves have exact counterparts. Especially when types like Flying are involved, since they have a lower Movepool than other types. The best we can do is approximate. Do you have a better suggestion for replacing Power Whip?

[Arch Lich Burns]

Aeroblast, arieal ace (though prob not), bounce, brave bird, drill peck, fly

[Dusk9]

Aeroblast: Signature Move of Lugia.
Aerial Ace: Way too weak to be a Lv40 Move. Plus it's already a TM Move.
Brave Bird: Mort's already said it doesn't fit Ferrothorn at all, since they aren't a Bird Pokemon.
Drill Peck: Was the best option, before Sun/Moon. But it fits Seed Bomb much better.
Fly: TM Move, not learnt naturally by any Pokemon except Salamence, Drampa, and Rayquaza. Plus it doesn't really fit this version of a Flying Ferrothorn, so I'm not sure Mort would even allow it as a TM move.

The only one I'll concede is Bounce, but I still have problems with it. It's way weaker (DB9), and inaccurate without the benefit of Smite to balance it. Doesn't fit the theme of a tank either, in my opinion. That said, it's Mort's decision.

I don't get your problem with Beak Blast, either - it's not like it's a super-OP move or anything

[Arch Lich Burns]

Wow. Seriously? So all the work to find passcodes for nothing. All efforts to save the ai are in vain. Nothing we do really matters does it. :/

On the "plus" side that means we can take our sweet ass time to loot.

[M0rtimer]

You sure have a positive outlook on things, don't you?

[Arch Lich Burns]

I spent the last...many updates trying to outrun a clock that did not exist, all efforts and all the stress I was put through to outrun the clock were in vain. So yea...

[SuperVaderMan]

Experience!

Maguma gets all 186xp, gaining 3 levels and finally hitting level 30! He puts 1 point into HP, Atk, and SpAtk each. He also trades in reliability for power, forgetting Clear Smog and Feint Attack in favor of Fire Punch and his second inheritance move Cross Chop! Just in time for a certain Dark-typed gym coming up

Maguma is now eligible for evolution!

[Dlover]

Oh, I don't think I asked: The book says small weapons give +1DB, is that applied with the rolling pin, or is it replaced by the conditional +2?

[Synch]

I spent the last...many updates trying to outrun a clock that did not exist, all efforts and all the stress I was put through to outrun the clock were in vain. So yea...

Also making yourself a very dislikeable character in the process...

[Arch Lich Burns]

Yea sorry about that. I'll try not to let my own thoughts influence her as much. She's supposed to be cheerful and halpy but that changed with all the stress she's been put through recently.. but it's no excuse to how awful she-I have been. Maybe it's better if I just quit the game all together.

[Dlover]

Quitting doesn't solve anything. Try to focus on changing that rather than thinking you should just quit.

[M0rtimer]

Are you aware with the concept of dramatic timing? The heroes burst in just as the sacrifice is about to begin. The bomb is defused with less than a second on the clock. This extends to games as well, except here it can also come coupled with a failure condition. Basically, if you fail, bad stuff would have happened- If you succeed, even speedrunning, it turns out you've come just in the nick of time to make things happen.

The Spark is just being genre savvy.

[Arch Lich Burns]

At the time I didn't realize it was arbitrary and thought that if I went fast that I could out pace the clock, and maybe just maybe able to save the AI. If I knew that it didn't really matter then I would have done things differently and not stress myself over it.

[Natrivv]

so exp time

getting 125 exp Ms. Cuddles goes from level 20 to 21 gaining 1 point in speed.
Getting the rest of the 61 exp Ochrana goes from level 25 to 26 gaining 1 point in sp. def.

Also what would happen to a water/psychic gyarados? Cause the only flying type move is bounce...

[Synch]

Also, it was a fair indication we didn't have a time constraint because we had to go and find clues to progressing in various other rooms, something you chided us for.

[M0rtimer]

so exp time

getting 125 exp Ms. Cuddles goes from level 20 to 21 gaining 1 point in speed.
Getting the rest of the 61 exp Ochrana goes from level 25 to 26 gaining 1 point in sp. def.

Also what would happen to a water/psychic gyarados? Cause the only flying type move is bounce...

Bounce would be replaced, and it might gain some additional psychic based moves.

[Arch Lich Burns]

I'm sorry. I was stressed out about this most of the time, but it's no excuse to how I treated you/bjorn or Dlover/alex...and mort. I'll try to do better and not act so rashly or bitterly, even when things seem to be terrible. Maybe I can make it up to you guys eventually.

[Dusk9]

Kay gets 116xp, jumping up 2 levels to Lv27. She gains +1HP, +1SPD, and learns Roost!
The remaining 70xp goes to Fern, pushing her up to Lv24 and netting her +1HP.